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    So someone wrote on this forum that there were issues with neutrality since many of the incidents were characterized as rightwing this or wearing a MAGA hat.

    I asked that person to provide other incidents which he thinks are less controversial.

    Today, August 3, 2019, a Trump supporter who believes the country is “being infested by immigrants” murdered 20 people and injured dozens more.

    This is a fact. If you think this is not neutral, you’re fucking right it isn’t.

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    In some instances you write “Trump supporter” or “MAGA” hat wearer therefore associating these alleged criminals with a politician – in this case Trump. Nowhere do you site supporters of other politicians such as Obama or Bernie Sanders. Surely some of these people supported pols on the left like Smollett who was an Obama supporter but you don’t state that. You should either list in all cases where it is know what politician the perp supported or leave it out in all cases. Otherwise, it will be assumed that you have a political agenda.

    Edited: 2019-05-13 12:26:00 By fred dietz (talk | contribs) + 11 Characters .. + 2% change.‎‎ (Note | Diff)

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      As I wrote none of these articles, I don’t know what you mean about writing “Trump supporter” or “MAGA” hat wearer. These were the headlines, copy and pasted.

      Also, I can’t keep up with all the incidents occurring, so if you see others I would be grateful for your additions.

      Edited: 2019-05-14 03:14:10 By Csaba Szakolczai (talk | contribs) + 135 Characters .. + 85% change.‎‎ (Note | Diff)

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    I wonder whether it is adequate to list “March 8, 2019 – Woman Attacks 7 People with Pepper Spray in Manhattan in What Police Say May Be a Hate Crime.” because it is only presumed to be a hate crime.
    Thus, I suggest to delete the entry for now in order to await the further development.
    An opposite way were possible but it cannot recommend it: firstly, explicitly stress that it’s merely a presumption; then to observe the further development; finally delete the entry in case the presumption prooves wrong, if not, adjust the entry.

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      You may be correct, but then the Jussie Smollet incident would need to be removed as well.

      As would the drive by shooting incident.

      In any case, while it may be something of a stretch, given that the initial belief was that these were hate crimes sort of makes them such, even when they turn out not to be.

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    When you list the sources of violence/rioting/etc and say they’re worth separating, what do you mean?
    Do you mean having them on different lists based on which source they most align with?

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    What exactly is the definition of political violence in this list? Does it have to actually be a violent crime? Does the crime have to be directly politically motivated, or does it just have to start a political discussion? There seem to be a significant number of examples in this list that are either nonpolitical or nonviolent in nature.

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    The word “Provacatists” should be “Provocateur” in standard English, see e.g. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/provocateur

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    It seems to me that this article will be problematic to maintain. It is trying to be a list, but of course it only goes back as far as the time people started compiling it. It requires management by a person. It might be better to annotate some articles as being about political violence and then have the system be able to search for and list those articles. These kinds of lists tend to wither on the vine and the sporadic attention they get does not very much improve them. I might be wrong, but this is just my observation.

    Edited: 2018-11-12 23:25:22 By Ray Kiddy (talk | contribs) + 2 Characters .. + 0% change.‎‎ (Note | Diff)

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      Yes, I understand what you’re saying, and it may peter out. I’m not sure that’s a bad thing, if it does so because violence decreases.

      But like you imply, there is always the problem of compassion fatigue.

      I don’t really have an answer other than I hope it becomes less an issue.

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    What do you consider “recent” for the purposes of the list? Also, check out the south poverty law center website. They have a list of hate groups in the US

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      Just started the list recently, so I guess if we could keep it going from this point forward.

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        So, Don’t worry about adding any past events that may be relevant?

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          No. I think that any incidents added, though, should maintain the the timeline, so if it happened in September, it should appear before the ones appearing in October.

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    Shouldn’t “political violence” be more accurately referred to as ‘terrorism’?

    Definition of terrorism: [noun] ‘the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims: the fight against terrorism | international terrorism.’

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      For reporting purposes I believe terrorism is a legal term. (I could be wrong here.) Timothy McVeigh was obviously a terrorist but wasn’t legally charged with that offence.

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        Thanks Fiona.

        Maybe worth clarifying the legality. From a dictionary definition perspective, it seems accurate.

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    Nationalism is most certainly not “people taking pride” – that’s more like patriotism. Nationalism is the extremist version of patriotism, to the exclusion of minorities and other nations

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      This is very wrong. Nationalism is not an “extreme version of patriotism.” Where did you get this very biased definition?

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        Nationalism is by definition bigoted. It argues your nation is better than all others. It closes off critically thinking about your nation; its weaknesses and strengths.

        So I would go so far as to say it is not even patriotic.

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          Nationalism does not require that someone believe that their nationality is superior to all others (or any others for that matter). For example, Scottish nationalism mostly states that Scotland should be a nation once again. The same can be said for Irish, Quebec, Swedish, etc., nationalism.

          Now the U.S. is a bit different, the vast majority of Americans would argue, I believe, that being an American nationalist/patriot means one must believe that America is the greatest country in the world. Any American political candidate who is caught even suggesting that America is just as good as but no better than, e.g., France or the U.K. or Canada, would be categorized by the vast majority of American citizens as unpatriotic and ineligible for public office.

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    I would like it if we opened it to an ever-growing list. (Not that I want more violence; just more input)

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