'Atheist minister' church trial due after three years

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  1. 'I don't care if the church survives' - Gretta Vosper, the 'unsuitable' minister

Gretta Vosper, age 60, has been awaiting trial by the United Church of Canada’s Christian court for over three years, on charges of being an atheist minister. The trial has been delayed x number of times but it is currently scheduled for the end of November until the first week of December 2018. 

“That’s 25 days of hearing, which is a lot longer than much more serious crimes take,” Vosper told WikiTribune. “They’re trying to use a disciplinary process for a heresy trial.”

Vosper wouldn’t disclose to WikiTribune exactly how much she has spent in legal fees over the years, but said an organization supporting her have raised close to 70 thousand dollars, “which doesn’t near cover it.”

Shehas been the minister of West Hill United Church, in Toronto, Canada, for 18 years, and while her position has been under review, the ‘unsuitable’ minister there, for the last three.

She doesn’t understand why the Church are taking her to trial now. Vosper said she was ordained 25 years ago with the understanding that her belief was a metaphorical one, she has been speaking about her views publicly for years and made it very clear in her first book that she “did not believe in a traditional understanding of God.”

Vosper told WikiTribune many members of the United Church have privately talked to her about “having nontheistic understandings of God,” but only in 2015 when it went more public, did they decide they need to do something about it.

“The church is becoming more and more conservative, and the reason it’s becoming more and more conservative to appeal to growing number of evangelical protestants,” Vosper told WikiTribune. We should be reaching out to those who don’t identify with any religion, but “the big tent concept doesn’t work with them,” she said.

Eight years after she was ordained, Vosper delivered a sermon off the cuff deconstructing the idea of God, expecting that she would be removed from her position. At the end of the service there was “like little bits of God all over the floor, and a bunch of people thought I had totally lost it” she said. To her surprise, board members were sympathetic in a meeting afterwards and asked what it would look like if she delivered sermons without any religious language or mention of God.

She stopped doing the Lords Prayer in 2008, which sent attendance plunging from 120 people to 40 and left the church’s financial strength “in tatters”, according to The Guardian. Now she says she has an average congregation of x.

Then in 2013 she self-identified as an atheist, in an act of solidarity with the Bangladeshi secular bloggers who were murdered. Vosper said “they were given the term atheist in order to incite hatred against them, and it worked.” 

Nowadays Vosper’s church has no bibles and she has adapted the words to around 60 traditional hymns, removing all religious references. Vosper believes this is the next logical step in the reformation of the United Church, which previously changed rules so that women and then married women can be ordained, before allowing gays and lesbians do to the same in 1988. “We’ve held the Bible accountable to love as a doctrine,” she said. 

 

All of the sociological research points to the fact that people who have participated in church regularly… their wellbeing, it skyrockets…it’s not the same to be part of a bridge club or something like that, because you don’t talk about the rich variety of things that you’re exposed to in a church. That’s my end game. Quite honestly I don’t care if the church survives.

 

Here in Canada, we are now currently experiencing the last generation that would identify as Christian. The people who are part of that generation, because of their involvement in church, good churches or bad churches, they’re more likely to volunteer, they donate probably three to four times more than others do in terms of philanthropic dollars, they vote way more regularly, and they’re engaged in their civic community and neighborhood in kind of a drenched way. …, the next generation doesn’t do that. They have a very low voter turnout, they donate substantially fewer dollars, and they don’t volunteer in the way that this last generation has done. …My end game is civic engagement

 

we talk about hard stuff. Most people get to avoid that. They build opinions, which are reinforced by Google algorithms, and they’re never invited to alter their course

 

our language meant that we were not engaging whole generations of people who, if they came into our churches, assumed when we used the word God that we meant a father figure in the sky who treated us like crap and then saved us later on… but that wasn’t the part of this story that was crucial for me…., talking about the different chapters of our lives and how we move through them, talking about what happens when we die, I think those are the things that churches do well…that’s the thing that is most crucial about Christianity and the church to me, then I want to make that as accessible to people as I can

 

We have traditional believers, and atheists, and humanists, and all kinds in our church. We don’t identify as an atheist church.

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