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    Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with a one party state. It’s doing some good things for China, it’s excelling at science and technology and tidying up the area. Sure, there are some not so great things that happen too, but here in the UK I can walk in my nearest city and see loads of homeless people – and compared the the rate of progress in the UK compared to China we seem to be standing still. Good luck to Cambodia I say!

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      Hey Paul, thanks for your comment. Do you see any drawbacks to one party state systems?

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        Sure, it can lead to corruption but as we’ve seen with Xi Jinping you sometimes get new leadership to clean the corruption up. With that said, there’s plenty of corruption all around the world; IE the Queen in my country likes hiding the money that she takes from tax payers. I sometimes wonder why my country is held up as a bastion of democracy actually, we have an undemocratically chosen head of state with countless palaces while every city centre has a growing number of homeless people.

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          What about rule of law, freedom of speech, freedom of press or human rights?`One party states usually don’t grant their citizens these rights. States like China might be more efficient like the UK. But there is price for it, and that’t the freedom and security of the individual. It was just at the end of last year that in Beijing tens of thousands migrant workes were kicked out of their appartments and houses (without a warning, in the cold winter time and with just a few hours to leave). Something like that wouldn’t be possible in states like the UK.

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            Hopefully I’m not being seen as sabotaging the comments section in anyway I’m very serious on my position.

            What about rule of law, freedom of speech, freedom of press or human rights?

            The West largely has these things, yes, but there are many issues with each. On rule of law we often see people differently affected by the law, a common example is the number of blacks being shot at and killed compared to whites or Muslims and Latinos bring viewed unfavourably. Additionally, the rich get off easier, take MeToo, loads of people have been accused but only years after, and I’m still not aware of any arrests.. your average rapist gets picked up right away.

            Your point on freedom of speech is another with issues. I’ve been on several anti austerity demoes and some papers pick the story up… When they want to smear Jeremy Corbyn. However protests in the West never get picked up on BBC like those in Hong Kong or Iran.

            Then there was the incident of the guardian being forced to destroy hard drives during the snowden saga, that flies in the face of a free press. In the UK it’s worth noting that while we have a fair number of papers they’re hardly a wide variety. They have too much influence over people’s voting decisions and a generally reactionary, not good. Yes I’m free to start my own publication but in reality it probably won’t get seen by many people so it’s just like a token gesture.

            On human rights, I looked up the story about the migrants in China, it says that was initiated by a fire in one of those shanty houses they were all living in so China decided to tear them down, much like France did with ‘the jungle’. It was widely reported last year that China actually removed hundreds of millions of people out of poverty in the last 30 years meanwhile in just the past 8 the UK has done a brilliant job of plunging lots into poverty, myself included.

            The only reason countries like China are hostile to freedom of this and that etc is because a certain set of countries (see g7) use such organisations for their own political, money making, projects. Where they’re decoupled from imperialist politics I think they’re very good ideals.

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              Sorry to hear that you don’t recognize the differences between democratic systems with the rule of law and its checks and balances. You may be right that these values are not in perfect shape. The western world is in a deep crisis. But still: personal freedom is only guaranteed in liberal western democracies.

              The story about migrants in China is a good example. Because it’s totally different from the “jungle case” in France. These people are chinese citizens, they are the ones that do the hard work. But yet: they weren’t born in the cities and therefore don’t have the right to send their children to city schools, they don’t have the right to get access to the city health systems. They are citizens but don’t have the guarantee to stay where they work. Yes, there was a fire in one of those (as you call them) shanty towns (that actually aren’t that bad because these are real houses) . But is it necessary to throw all of those hard working citizens out of their homes (without any warnings and no other place to stay)? The real reason is that Beijing just wanted to get rid of them. And the fire was a good excuse.

              “The jungle” in France was inhabited by people (mostly Africans) that had no legal right to stay there, that wanted to migrate to UK (but couldn’t), that didn’t work legally and occupied land that wasn’t theirs. It took the french state a very long time to react and to destroy this place. The people were informed, they were bused to temporary reception centers or relocated to a camp or to informal settlements.

              Can you see the difference? Yes, I admit, China did a good job in reducing the poverty. Their politicians are smart and far-sighted. But the individual doesn’t count anything in this system. And the surveillance and the hard grip of the state is tightening a lot right now. In a few years every Chinese will even get a social score.

              I oppose imperialist politics and I think that China has the right to decide on its own. But: I don’t want this kind of political system (with all its advantages and disantvantages) in my country.

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