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    The story as written implies a partisan slant (Obama vs Trump). It may give both presidents too much credit. Reports I have heard said it was the same career officials at Fish and Wildlife that suggested the ban and also suggested lifting it. I do not know if this is true – but it bears investigation. The Fish and Wildlife officials should get the credit for changing the policies and saving the widlife, not the presidents.

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      Could you give me links to those reports, Gareth? I would like to include that.

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    The ban was actually reinstated for now, right? I couldn’t see mention of this in the article

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      Updated now. Thanks

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    I think that the link for Nyamazana Safaris is broken.

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      Fixed. Thanks, Miguel.

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    Dan Marsh
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    I think you’re right Joel.

    I haven’t been able to find a non-news source that mentions anything about the ban being lifted in Zambia, only Zimbabwe.

    This news article seems to be correct, and only mentions Zimbabwe.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/nov/16/us-to-allow-imports-of-elephant-trophies-from-zimbabwe

    Was the ban lifted in Zambia at an earlier date, I wonder?

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      On send thoughts that article does mention Zambia.

      “The decision by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) to reverse the ban, which will also apply to trophies from Zambia, follows moves in favour of the US hunting sector that are worrying some observers.”

      But no source for that.

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    I’d suggest that it should be made clear that this was only ever a conditional suspension, not an outright ban. I may be wrong, but I think there’s a difference between a conditional suspension and a ban. Which in turn suggests that they would be obligated to end the suspension in the event of the conditions being met. That then begs the question, were those conditions really met?

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      Hi Dan- I included a paragraph, with a link, on the Trump Administration’s justification for lifting the suspension. Thanks.

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      I’ve read the news release for the the 2014 Suspension and I’m not seeing that it was a conditional suspension, but it does provide a timeline of when the trophies where hunted. I agree that it would be interesting to know if it was in fact a conditional suspension, have they met the conditions to remove it accordingly.

      Also, I’m confused as to where the second country came into play. The 2014 article talks about Tanzania & Zimbabwe; however, the linked press release only talks about Zimbabwe. All of the social media stuff that I’ve seen so far have been talking about the two countries. Does anyone have a source for the second or did I simply miss it?

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        I think you’re right Joel.

        I haven’t been able to find a non-news source that mentions anything about the ban being lifted in Zambia, only Zimbabwe.

        This news article seems to be correct, and only mentions Zimbabwe.

        Was the ban lifted in Zambia at an earlier date, I wonder?

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        Hi Joel and Dan,

        You’re right about Zambia not being explicitly mentioned in the statement from the Fish and Wildlife Service. The inclusion of Zambia in the order was realized from a press release from the Safari Club, a pro-trophy hunting organization. I added a paragraph explaining this.

        The Fish and Wildlife Service currently lists Zambia as “approved” for trophy import between January 2016 and December 2018.
        https://www.fws.gov/international/permits/by-activity/sport-hunted-trophies-elephants.html

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