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    Hello. Since the anti-terror law have been considered by multiple organizations as being dangerous for individual rights, should this kind of article reflect this point of view? Strictly speaking, would considering a law to be too repressive violate Jimbo’s will to keep neutral?

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      I believe that because this is just a briefing of what occurred that day, it might be asking too much to delve in to the beliefs of different groups. However, were an entire article to be dedicated to the end of Opération Sentinelle and the imposition of these new laws it would be fair to provide the opinions, clearly, by each relevant group. However, I don’t believe a neutral article should “reflect” any point of view.

      For example, if you look at the way referendums and voting happens in Switzerland, each citizen is provided with a summary of the new law, the proposed law itself and then a slip of paper indicating which way each major party suggests you should vote. This should be the same.

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    When discussing laws that are passed, for example the new French anti-terror laws mentioned in this story, would it not be better to link the actual law than an article posted by reuters. It’s really an argument of whether it should be easier (eg. to read a summarized version by a third party) or to be tough but entirely factual. Why summarize a summary?

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      I think that’s a great question; there’s no bias in a direct source. Personally, I think it’s reasonable to link to a summary from a third-party source in order to be more accessible to an average reader, especially since the bill is in French and a translation may not be readily available.

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        Good point. However, I don’t see why the summary would not occur directly on the wikitribune website where it can be scrutinized by anybody.

        The language issue is far more complicated. Given that Jimbo wants to make this platform completely international there would obviously be a problem with linking documents in foreign languages directly, even if they were summarized by readers who spoke them. I suppose it would be nice if there was a way to link summaries and specific documents simultaneously but that would probably break some UX guideline 🙂

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          It’s also an area where the “community” will almost certainly at times be willing to do a translation. How would you feel if we sometimes — and with explanation — used Google Translate on some of these things? Imperfect I know. Peter

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            To be honest, I don’t think that would work. I personally deal a lot with the French Tax legal documents and when I send articles around my office I do it with a google translate link to the page. However, sometimes the semantics can be lost with such tedious syntax and does require clarification.

            So, as you stated in your reply below, a multilingual reference section would allow the reader to go on their own and perform the translation, at their own peril!

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              Essentially, I’d rather place my trust in the community members who spoke the language to effectively provide the translation than google translate.

              However, if each article is in multiple languages then who’s to say that they’ll ever translate to English, for example.

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        Very good idea and we will make every effort to do that and probably put it in the Sources & References area at the foot of the story and explain what language it is in. Thanks. Peter

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          Ahh, I hadn’t noticed any Sources & References area. At least, not yet. I was expect a sort of wikimedia feel to this website, with the numbered references etc, so I am still getting to grips with it!

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