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    Hi Jimmy, I’ve only just found out about the WikiTribune project and find it fascinating. As someone from outside the world of the media, I’m interested in the issues with bias in mainstream coverage that seems to becoming more evident currently, and think it’s an exciting an unknown way to keep people informed.
    I just wanted to know your thoughts on a couple of things
    – How neutral is the aim for WikiTribune? Do you see the platform striving for a Reuters style “value-neutral approach,” of avoiding emotive language eg) not using the word “Terrorist” in stories? Or will it evolve as the users/contributors dictate?
    – Do you see the site needs to aim for up to date news, or focus on lesser known stories that the current media gives less coverage towards?
    – Related to the above, are there plans to establish a “topical” or “popular” section to allow filtering for recent events, or do you think that the public sourced content doesn’t lend itself to this?
    Congratulations to yourself and the team for your fantastic work.

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      Is Terrorist emotive language, or is it a meaningful term? I’m inclined to the latter view. Someone who murders as part of a robbery is likely to be criminally motivated, but someone who commits violence to promote a political or religious cause, someone whose aim is to terrorise a particular community, I think it simple honesty to call them a terrorist. Yes there are going to be early stages of an incident where we don’t yet know who the perpetrator is and what their motive was, and there are people with a warped or false definition of terrorism – Saudi Arabia for example regards atheists as terrorists.

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        Oh I personally agree, I’m just impressed that nominally the view is to be so neutral that terms like “terrorism” aren’t viewed as impartial. Definitely agree to the concept of avoiding knee-jerk reporting/ using more powerful language like terrorism until the facts are clear.

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    Hello Jimmy,

    I would like to have a talk with you. I know the subject interests you, and the talk might also lead to an opportunity you may find appealing.
    Would it be possible for me to contact you over email? Please establish a connection using my address [email protected]

    Regards
    HS

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    Hello Jimmy,

    Thanks for your email. Very excited to be part of the WikiTribune conversation.

    Here goes…

    I can tell in advance what is going to be published in parts of the Guardian (print edition) tomorrow.

    Take for example the Guardian double spread format (which I examined from its inception on September 2005 to September 2015). As I further discuss below, race, racialisations and the politics of Us-and-Them make for a template photojournalism of this 62x48cm format. Other pictorial boxes in the international and national news sections also follow this mode of racialised representations (see below). Where this example models what Philomena Essed calls “everyday racism,” an example from the opposite side of the spectrum could be of Guardian representations of Iraqi children victims of violence in the 2003 Iraq war (I do not exaond on these sad findings in here).

    Thus, if race, which is anything but ‘truth’ or ‘fact,’ can be so evident even in some of our worthiest publications, what is the way forward for alternative media such as WikiTribue?

    What is it about the politics of division and stark dualisms which is that alluring for the mass audiences of the main stream media? How can an alternative media replace, in any significant way, what is now the mainstream, rather than be just another side, specialised publication?

    Hence…

    What is truth when ‘racism sells’ is a prominent feature of news environments and with race thinking being a clear false view of how things are?

    What are ‘facts’ when so much of how we see the world through the window of news is dependent on our cultural heritage and the social domains with which we think, rather than think about.

    In short…

    What can help balance the tensions between the motivation of the text to be read (and of news orgs to sell) and the liberal agenda of these news organisations?

    I suggest Critical Solidarity, which is the title of my PhD and which can be seen as a simple media heuristic relevant to both news producers and consumenrs.

    I developed Critical Solidarity in relation to the coverage of the Arab-Israeli conflict in the Guardian and the Independent. I then realised that much of what I find is relevant also to the coverage of international news in general.

    I loaded a short presentation of Critical Solidarity to FaceBook (search: criticalsolidarity in FB).

    I think this is enough for now… 🙂

    best,
    Hagai (PhD, Critical Solidarity, senior consultant)

    MORE ABOUT THE GUARDIAN DOUBLE SPREAD FORMAT
    In a forthcoming research I examine the visual depictions in the Guardian’s centrefold format, a daily doublespread size image (over 62x48cm). I examine this space for images from around the world since its inception on September 2005, till 2015 with a varying month every year (September 2005, October 2006 etc). In this format, images from the Global South repetitively show poverty, disasters, war, exotica or anonymous masses; depictions which could be considered racialised. At the same time, depictions of Britain (and generally the Global North) exhibit an oppositional imagery, showing individuals, elites, arts, science, sports, high culture or pastoral, harmonious landscapes (Other centre-fold topicalisations include wild life, environmental issues or Eastern Europe). Arguably, such cemented editorialship and template photojournalism may be considered as contingent to familiar post-colonial, Eurocentric and White-centric regimes of representations.

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      I’d be super interested to see that research when it comes out.

      Otherwise, this is all quite abstract for me. Keep it simple for me. What should I do?

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        hiya Jimmy,

        Still formulating a response.

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        Hi again Jimmy,

        Sorry for the late reply… Half term got in the way… Grt to be on Discord too! Still reading the inputs from last night (London time…

        So, in reply to your question re what can CS do… 😉

        Critical Solidarity aims to address known potholes where news producers tend to get it wrong when reporting on world events (rather than suggesting what they need to do to ‘get it right’).

        What could such potholes be? In general terms, the news media tends to take its own S.I.D.E, or side with Simplicity, Immediacy, Drama and Ethnocentrism. These news values are applied regularly in both rag publications (for example, the London Metro) as well as the finest publications such as the Guardian or the NYT.

        On this backdrop, Critical Solidarity is a simple method, a heuristic, which aims to help media professionals to continuously check themselves, and for their audiences to double check the media content they consume (at the same time, Critical Solidarity presents an impossible balancing act which is never fully attained, but always aspires to).

        In addition, Critical Solidarity’s non-binary model hopes to be, in general lines, closer to how events take shape in the world in the first place. Accordingly, Critical Solidarity aims to be not only more reliable but also more susceptible to new and surprising ideas and angles.

        Critical Solidarity can contribute to media content diversity in relation to the following issues:

        Reportage of violent conflicts (specifically from the Global South)
        Reportage of non-elite peoples from non-elite countries
        Reportage of structural and positive processes (as oppose to negative events)
        Reportage on peace processes
        Reportage on other and remote cultures and traditions
        Reportage on global women issues
        Race and the news and race in the news

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    Hii Jimmy

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    Hi Jimmy – I just received a note from you saying that you responded to me on your user talk page, but I don’t see it. Mine was the note about original reporting. Can you point me to where to find your response? -Rafael Garcia

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      Nevermind, I found it. It looks like you have two usernames and two talk pages.

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    Hej Jimmy,

    I hope this reaches you well!

    I really like the WikiTribune Project and think there is a lot of potential. I would like to support in an active way and lead an initiative to grow grassroots collaborative storytelling. Is there a way to get support, tools, funding or is there a way to integrate the work into the existing platform? I have some resources at my disposal and have a good network of activists, community leaders, and event organisers who could benefit from a well built tool for collaborative storytelling.

    Sincerely, c

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      Sounds super interesting! We are focussed on very neutral, fact-based hard news, which I think in many ways is easier to collaborate on that more “colorful” storytelling, and so depending on what you mean, I think we’re on the same wavelength!

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        Yep we probably are on the same wave for sure. Is there a way to find out how the platform is going to grow, what the strategy is? If there are stories that are more local then communities might be more active in their role in collaboration…and I would love to help get those stories started and activate communities.

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    Hi Jimmy,

    Thank you so much for replying to my tweet. I would love to discuss with you a way to dispel public skepticism of the news presented by WikiTribune. The idea I have would be in conjunction with world class fact checking.

    I believe the main reason people doubt the veracity of news stories is that they identify a political bias coming through from the reporter, or even the organization. This is true no matter which side of the spectrum you’re on.

    Here’s how it happens.

    Reporter with liberal bias reports glass half full. Liberal news consumers do not identify any bias. Conservative news consumers immediately feel the bias. They go to their own news source who reports glass half empty, and feel the reporting here is much more objective.

    To fix this problem, you staff your newsroom with half liberals and half conservatives.

    The liberal reporter writes a story reporting the glass half full. Now the story is given to the conservative reporter who immediately identifies the bias. They edit the story. Since they were able to identify the offending particle, they can suggest: The glass has 50cc’s of water in it.

    Then they give it back to the liberal who agrees and the story goes out to the public, reporting the fact: Glass contains 50cc’s of water.

    Having reporters on both sides of the political spectrum will help you in ways you can’t foresee. It’s not just stories themselves that contain a political bias, it’s the number of stories on a certain topic, and the way you pick the stories to report on, and things that I can’t foresee either.

    Thanks for considering.

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      Well I don´t think I get your point correctly, but I guess what you mean is you got to tell the news in a soft way and provide enough context for the reading people to understand. Otherwise people “shut their doors” for you, because you are attacking their reality.

      Cheers,
      Helmar

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    I intend to start a new project focusing on revealing commonly-cited ideas or statistics that are fake or misleading, as well as debunking or correcting general common misconceptions that have badly skewed the news. These misconceptions often act as axioms or underlying assumptions altering how news is reported in other places, or are stated as simple, commonly-known facts (without citation).

    Some of these will be sensitive or controversial – I’d expect everyone would be alarmed by at least one of them. I’m prepared to write about a half-dozen articles over the next couple of days, and I have a format prepared, but I need someone to run the format and core data by. I don’t want to publish anything that would tarnish Wiki Tribune’s reputation, or drag this new project into controversy without the approval of the people running it. Would it be possible to have a private dialogue prior to my writing those articles?

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      Just go ahead and get started – at the moment articles are only visible “on the backend” until they are published, and that’s a great place to get initial feedback.

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        Alright, thanks. Will do.

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    Hi Jimmy

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    Hey Jimmy!

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