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    This article may be accurate, but it doesn’t pass my “sniff test”: It looks like it could have been written by a plastic industry public relations wizard with as much scientific backing as the denials of human contributions to global warming or even denials of the holocaust.

    Someone presumably checked the facts behind this article, but it’s not obvious to me how to find your sources. If I studied the article very carefully and followed all the links, I might eventually find links to other sources supporting this claim. Why should I have to work that hard for this?

    Spencer Graves

    p.s. I love “Le Monde diplomatique”, because it cites its sources. It is currently published in 29 editions in 18 languages.

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      Hi Spencer,

      In some ways, saying the article reads like it was “written by a plastic industry public relations wizard” is testimony to the professionalism of the student journalists who wrote the bulk of it. You’ll find that most sources are hyperlinked and – if not – this is WikiTribune so you can update them. I hope you will.

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    Another confused figure here.

    > According to the UK’s Retail Institute at Leeds Beckett University, 11.4 metric tonnes of packaging is produced each year in the UK alone, however, only 6.8 metric tonnes of this packaging is recycled.

    11.4 metric tonnes of packaging per year across the 27.2 million households in the UK is 420 milligrams per household per year, or 1.1 millgrams a day. That seems … low.

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      “seems low”

      An understatement. Clearly a misunderstanding of measurement units here.

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    This is not what the source says:

    > Around 83% of the average U.S. household’s carbon footprint is burnt in the manufacture of food, with a further 11% coming from its transport.

    The exact quote is
    >the GHG emissions associated with food are dominated by the production phase, contributing 83% of the average U.S. household’s 8.1 t CO2e/yr footprint for food consumption. Transportation as a whole represents only 11% of life-cycle GHG emissions, and final delivery from producer to retail contributes only 4%.

    So the 83% figure is not 83% of the household’s total GHG footprint, it’s 83% of the GHG footprint attributable to food consumption.

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    Agree – and there are further instances where this is the case. The plastic stats are largely UK based, while the food stats are more often global. The stats need to be checked and referencing improved.

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    To whom and to where do these figures apply?

    > 4.6 metric tonnes of packaging is wasted every year – but we also waste 1.3bn tonnes of food.

    I think that the 4.6 metric tonnes should be 4.6 *miilion* tonnes, and refers to the UK, which produces about 10 million tonnes of packaging waste a year, about two-thirds of which is recoverable: https://www.sepa.org.uk/regulations/waste/packaging-waste/

    The 1.3B tonnes of food, however, is probably the global fgure: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/aug/20/food-waste-alarming-rise-will-see-66-tonnes-thrown-away-every-second

    Edited: 2019-03-29 10:48:02 By Honoria Sluntcut (talk | contribs) + 222 Characters .. + 37% change.‎‎ (Note | Diff)

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