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    Hi, is about the title and its semantic confirmation in the body of the article… “blocked migrating to HTTPS”. I not see the expanded version of this fact, “one day was HTTP, other day was HTTPS, other day was blocked” (there are dates? there are local testimonies?).

    Other interesting thing to add is recent (2017-2018) cases of HTTPS-blocking (is commom in China? The non-blocked China-sites are HTTP or HTTPS? There are numbers of HTTP domains and HTTPS domains in China to compare with Japan, Europe or non-China-world?)

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    Edited: 2018-07-26 12:33:08 By Peter Krauss (talk | contribs) -22 Characters .. -3% change.‎‎ (Note | Diff)

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      Hi Peter. The BBC finished transitioning from HTTP to HTTPS a few weeks ago, as noted in the story. The block happened sometime over the weekend of July 21-22. Although we haven’t been able to pin down when exactly , anecdotal reports would suggest it started late on Friday with some content and then became a total blackout. We then asked the BBC whether the block had to do with the transition, and included their statement in our story. We’ve been trying to get a statement from the Chinese embassy in London but haven’t heard back yet.

      Regarding your second point: there is a Wikipedia page (linked in the story) that keeps tabs of blocked websites in China. Not sure how many of them have already transitioned to HTTPS.

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        Thanks George, ok, i need to read with more attentioin (and sorry my English). Perhaps is only a question of “enhancing main facts” in the article.

        About “HTTPS vs HTTP” statistics will be interesting and my clue is that exists… This is a 2017’s non-official statistics of blog-sites, http://iwannabeablogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/https-vs-http.png at http://iwannabeablogger.com/search-traffic-secrets/

        A “side-box explanation” for non-specialized readers will welcome… The HTTPS demand was also a kind of “Snowden effect”… The “all in HTTPS” initiative was not governamental, but was acceptable for democratic governs. For dictatorships with censorship the HTTPS is a strong barrirr for control. So in China the HTTPS motivation is different, is not a “Privacy vs. Security” debate, but “Surveillance vs Freedom” debate. HTTPS adoption statistics may result (I’m curious) to be smaller proportion (vs. HTTP), reflecting all this.

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          We are definitely going to look at the HTTPS angle. As you say, it seems to be more of an issue for digitally-powerful authoritarian states.

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    Question: Is China alone in banning the BBC site? It might be helpful to know which countries ban the BBC, and may be additionally helpful for a broader conversation about internet freedom worldwide.

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      Interesting question, thanks Jonathan,

      So at various points, and for various reasons, parts or all of the BBC have also been banned from Zimbabwe, Myanmar, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Iran, and Rwanda. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_News)

      I’ll add a section into the story for editing and discussion of this wider issue now.

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    Though not as specific to the BBC story the story could morph into a broader international story as one more move by an authoritarian government to include ‘info wars’ with ‘trade/tariff wars’ or both.

    Contemporary history:
    1. Google pulls out of mainland China avoiding skewed or filtered search results on their main user program.
    Other countries around the world now seek to do the same filtering, e.g. Turkey. Also, foreign business and trade kowtows reveal the effects of these info/trade issues regarding a free an open media worldwide, not to mention overt acts like executing journalist.

    2. I think trade and tariff maneuvers (wars?) are directly tied to the info wars as big tech in China, USA, and elsewhere are directly affected depending on new tariff and trade escalating skirmishes.

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      Hey Tim, thanks for your interesting suggestions. We could definitely start a new story on these issues to get the ball rolling. However, it would be great if you could explain in a bit more detail what it is you’re thinking about because there’s almost several stories/angles here at the same time.

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