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    The Texas law in question made it a crime to “procure” an abortion or to “attempt one,” unless done so with advice of a physician “for the purpose of saving the life of the mother.” So a mother could not ask a doctor for an abortion and a doctor could not attempt to perform one without committing a crime. Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113, 117-18 (1973). Many states had similar statutes at that time.

    Roe ruled that a state could not regulate abortion – i.e., in this case criminalize procuring or attempting one — during the first trimester of pregnancy. But during the second trimester “in promoting its interest in the health of the mother, [the State] may, if it chooses, regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health.” Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113, 164. After viability, which the court said occurred approximately after the second trimester, “the State in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.” Roe at 164-65.

    A final note. the court did not really make abortion legal as part of the right to privacy. More particularly, the court concluded “the right of personal privacy includes the abortion decision, but that this right is not unqualified and must be considered against important state interests in regulation.” Roe at ___.

    I did not do any editing to include any of this information because I’m not sure if it’s too much legal stuff. What is really important, though, is to recognize that Roe v. Wade did not unconditionally legalize abortion.

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    “But a more recent Gallup poll found that this support has waned slightly. ” No it didn’t. The Gallup poll, compared with previous polls asking the same question (“Would you like to see the Supreme Court overturn its 1973 Roe vs Wade decision concerning abortion or not”) back to 2005, showed that support has been growing since about 2008, and the text cited says “The current reading is on the higher end measured.” The Pew survey asked a different question (“Would you like to see the Supreme Court completely overturn its Roe vs Wade decision, or not”), so it is not meaningful to compare them in this way.

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      I do think I agree with your argument, you basically saying that we should compare apple to apple, and that the pew survey and gallup are asking different questions?

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      Hi Jennifer- You’re correct that different samples shouldn’t be compared. I will take out the line about waning support

      I do , however, want to bring more background to this issue besides the Pew poll Rep. Jackson Lee cited. So I’ll change the language to say: “the response to surveys on abortion have varied slightly depending on how a question is framed.”

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    Update on this: WikiTribune is contacting the office of Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee to confirm which survey she was citing.

    If she indeed said 70 percent for a survey that found 64 percent, a “Mostly True” rating will likely be given. How does everyone feel about this?

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      I do think it’s a very good idea to contact here office so that it can provide the context, but I do think we can fairly label her claim directly from comparing her tweet with the survey we have from gallup.

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    Mohammed, now I understand, I had to go look at the Gallup pole. Please disregard my question about source.

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    Where is the supporting evidence for the statement: "For 2018, 48 percent of Americans consider themselves as pro-choice, by contrast, 48 percent think they are pro-life."?
    This is not part of Sheila Jacksons statement.

    If I have time this morning to look up more editing and source quote rules, I may add my brief summary to the article.

    Edited: 2018-07-13 16:08:43 By Brant Fetter (talk | contribs) + 247 Characters .. + 228% change.‎‎ (Note | Diff)

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    I’ll take a shot:
    Roe vs. Wade was a ‘landmark’ case decided by the United States Supreme Court where the decision struck down a 1970 Texas law banning abortion. The ruling on 22 January 1973 effectively made abortion legal in the United States as a part of the right to privacy under the 14th amendment.

    Sources:
    High Court Rules Abortion Legal in First 3 Months. The New York Times.
    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0122.html

    Norma McCorvey. The Washington Post.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/norma-mccorvey-jane-roe-of-roe-v-wade-decision-legalizing-abortion-dies-at-69/2017/02/18/24b83108-396e-11e6-8f7c-d4c723a2becb_story.html?utm_term=.85a6b3829596

    Sarah Weddington. Time.
    http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,409103,00.html

    When Abortion Was a Crime, Leslie J. Reagan. University of California Press.
    https://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520216570

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    I found this opinion poll from Gallup very relevant it shows statistics for americans who are pro and against abortion across years:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

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      Pew research center has been measuring the public opinion in abortion since 1995:

      http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

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    I think we should add one short paragraph showing the historical background of Roe.V Wade case for those who have no background.

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