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    “Equal pay and the gender pay gap are not the same thing, and I think a lot of people have conflated the two.”

    I’ll admit to my ignorance here and say that after I read this interview I still had to search the web to understand what the difference between the two terms are. I’m not sure if the definitions I found are specific to the UK or not. A lot of people on both sides of the issue seem to use the terms interchangably.

    I do think society could have more meaningful conversations about this issue if the two terms were more well-defined in the public’s perception.

    Perhaps near the beginning of the article someone, who is more articulate than me, could add definitions of the two terms.

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      Hi Andrew. That’s a really valuable suggestion. If somebody does not already respond and include this I will today. Thanks!

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    “WikiTribune: What do you say to arguments that men and women are suitable for different jobs based on their inherent differences?

    Swinson: There’s vanishingly few roles where that’s the case. It cannot in any way explain the gender pay gap on the economy-wide scale.

    If you’ve got a women’s refuge centre and you’re looking for a rape support worker, there might be an argument for saying you’d want a woman to do that. If you’ve got a geriatric center for older men and they want the carers to be male carers, then there’s an argument for that, too.”

    It might be worth pointing out there isn’t as far as I’m aware any evidence which supports this point. Especially as broadly as Swinson implies.

    There’s an interesting podcast regarding Uber data which explains the issue more clearly than I can – http://freakonomics.com/podcast/what-can-uber-teach-us-about-the-gender-pay-gap/

    My take home from it was – Yes, females and males are capable of performing most jobs – but there will still be differences in the way they conduct themselves within certain roles (i.e driving faster as an Uber driver).

    And these differences often referred to as ‘inherent differences’ are rightly more cultural than genetic but unraveling them will take more time and targeted effort than just saying “we can all do the same jobs”.

    I also note I am a white male, commenting on a small part of a gender equality article (which I enjoyed reading and agreed with in most part) but (1) I wanted to see how this new site functions (2) I found the podcast interesting and it helped me to gain a better understanding of this issue, which gives me better ammo for future discussions in which people are likely to use the inherent differences argument.

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      Hi Ross, thank you for your thoughtful comment. I don’t think she was saying there are necessarily more women working in refuge centres and more male carers in geriatric centres for men, however I’ll see if there’s anything I can link to there. Thank you.

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        Sorry I didn’t really mean to say there are more workers in those specifics jobs.

        Rather that Jo implies that there are just a small number of specific jobs which male or females are better suited to.

        My point is maybe due to ‘inherent cultural differences’ there are more roles than the very specific one’s she implies which there are performance differences (tax driver being an apparent example according to Uber data).

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          Ah yes I see what you mean. An interesting point and I’ll see how I can incorporate it. Please also do feel welcome to edit the story/include the Uber data if you see a way to do it.

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