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    It may be because I am Spanish but I found this article rather biased, essentially taking the point of view of the Gibraltar government:
    – drugs, arms, and money-smuggling are only mentioned as “excuses” of Spanish authorities. Really? Some fact-checking would be useful.
    – “negotiating a new relationship with the EU” sounds unrealistic because Gibraltar is not a sovereign state. Would Scotland be able to negotiate a “new relationship” separately with the EU, let alone any individual city of England?
    – the article mentions the airport three times but fails to comment that it was built on land that the Spanish government claims was illegally occupied by the British after 1713

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    While the border between Gib’ and Spain is currently less contentious than that between the six provinces of Northern Ireland and Eire, it will ultimately be equally problematic. The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), that is propping up Theresa May’s strife-riven government in the UK , is adamant that the six provinces should have no different a deal to the UK [the country’s proper name is “The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”.

    So to talk about the “UK leaving the UK” only tells part of the story]. Therefore to suggest there should be a separate deal with Gibraltar is highly questionable and negotiating with Spain as opposed to the Irish government will be a different kettle of fish – but failure in either could break the Brexit negotiations. Spain and Eire have a veto and 27 countries have to agree on the final settlement even without the British people being asked.

    I don’t know how much symbolism is left in Gibraltar’s apes but blasted things will steal your sandwiches!

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    What I am missing in this story, as in many others I have read about the topic, is how the NATO interests are influencing the politics surrounding the dispute between the UK, EU and Spain.

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      That is an interesting question in this particular case. NATO is entirely separate from the EU of course and France, for example, is not in the NATO command structure. Gibraltar is not a NATO base as such: British.

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        Entirely separate? You really think so?
        And Gibraltar may not be a NATO base as such, but with such an exposed location I think you can be sure that NATO does have interests and probably personell there.
        Remember, they have a huge base in nearby Cadiz.
        And of course the UK being the USA’s closest military ally…
        I think you really did miss a very important aspect of Gibraltar politics in your article.

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    Biased towards British government interests. Spain has wants to fix problems with contraband and tax havens and holds a moderate discussion on this. Spain has the right to veto precisely because of the conditions of the utretch treaty, which were negotiated when Spain entered European Union. UK leaves European Union, Spain regains his rights to close the border on his side, among other things. It is a matter of law. If UK want to change conditions and law regulations they have to start a war with Spain. Spain will not start any war.

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      Interesting. You will see story refers to Gibraltar’s history of smuggling, the low tax rate and also the position of the PP and of Spanish trade unionist in La Linea.

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        DU
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        The article says: “Hose said Spanish authorities – especially when the right-wing Spanish PP (People’s Party) is in power – uses the excuses of drugs, arms, and money-smuggling to justify searching everyone and causing long lines, but its real motivation is political. “It’s ridiculous,” he said. “When we are so close … The two cities are together … it’s like a big city.”

        Well there is a real problem, not an invention of the Spanish government. After reading it, I still feel it is biased or maybe it is just a mention on what hose said, but overall Spain is a Democratic country and UK and Spain are on NATO. So why UK does not solve the problem of taxes and smuggling after 300 years? It is as easy as rising taxes…

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    ““The Rock” – a limestone thumb about twice the size of Central Park and a bit taller than the Empire State Building”

    This won’t mean much to anyone who is not an American – or even an American unfamiliar with New York. Shouldn’t an international newspaper try to find less parochial comparisons?

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      DU
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      Thanks Martin,

      I’ve added the following to the Sources & References section: “Gibraltar’s rock is 426 meters high – slightly less than 100 double-decker buses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_of_Gibraltar”

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      I did think about this but unless someone has been living in a cave since the Empire State Building was constructed in 1931I think we all have an idea that it is quite a tall building. The isthmus is definitely smaller than Belgium but bigger than Penge. It’s more of a metaphor but I did think of attaching a whole of eccentric comparisons at the bottom of the story. You are welcome to add.

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