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    Friends, I have added a sentence or two to this story where Jean-Jacques referred to the Swedish cases — a separate rape allegation and a sexual assault allegation. The story now makes clear how and why those cases were rendered either legally or practically defunct for the time being. The British claims are still there and are expected to be the subject of a further hearing later this month. Peter

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      Thank you Peter for adding clarity. Another point worth mentioning is that the UK case (bail) was distinct from the substance of the Swedish case or cases (alleged sexual assualt, alleged rape). Thanks.

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    One thing that i’m surprised isn’t noted here is that Ellsberg turned himself in to the US District Attorney in Boston and was subsequently put on trial. The reason that he wasn’t found guilty is that the judge in the case dismissed all charges due to government misconduct in the case (including illegal wiretaps, attempting to bribe the judge with an FBI directorship, and breaking into Ellsberg’s therapist’s office).

    Put in that light, it seems as if the only reason that Ellsberg went free is that the US government may have treated him worse than everyone else in this article with the possible exception of Manning.

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      I point this out because it changes the discussion of the differences between his case and Assange/Snowden’s.

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        Hello Zachary, thanks for your interesting comment. The reason put forward by Judge Byrne for dismissing the case was indeed the unlawful way in which the USG prosecuted the case against Ellsberg. It’s also interesting to consider the political climate at the time: the media had become more critical of the US war in Vietnam, and public opinion went the same way; the Nixon Presidency was in grave danger, with several of the President’s close advisers arraigned or sentenced. The Pentagon Papers were not the only element, but what they revealed about the war in Vietnam did play a role in the loss of credibility of President Nixon.

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    This sentence strikes me as confusing:
    “On 15 August 1973, three months after Judge Byrne dismissed the charges, the U.S. stopped all its bombing missions on South-East Asia, at a time when, according to Ellsberg, military options presented to President Lyndon B. Johnson included the use of nuclear weapons.”

    Mainly this bit: “at a time when, according to Ellsberg, military options presented to President Lyndon B. Johnson included the use of nuclear weapons.”

    Saying “at a time” makes it seem like you’re talking about August 1973 AND that Johnson was President at that time. (but he had been out of office for over 4 years already). Am I being too picky?

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      Good idea to clarify. If only to break it up a bit. Standby.

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        Thanks Peter!

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          Done. Check that you think it is clear now will you please.

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    Just to note that I changed “presidents” to “precedence” and then reverted that change. I read the source interview and Snowden had been discussing the action of US presidents. Wrong call on my part. Sorry. Robbie

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      No problem but thank you for reverting. A quote is a quote. Thanks.

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