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    Please, please do not use the term ‘pesticide’. At best insecticide or preferably neuro-toxin when talking of these dangerous chemicals. ‘Pesticide’ is a marketing term for non-selective poisons. They kill all insects not just pests.

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      Hi Tim. Sorry it has taken me a while to reply. I’m far from being an expert on the appropriate usage of ‘pesticides’ or ‘insecticides’ when discussing nenonicotinoids. Many newspapers use both terms when referring to neonicotinoids, as does the wikipedia article on neonicotinoids and when I spoke to Bee expert Dave Goulson he used the term pesticides – see the quotes within the article.

      Based on the wikipedia pesticide article – my understanding is that the term pesticides includes insecticides, but I was not aware of it being used in a marketing sense to mean non-selective poisons.

      Could you please link me to some credible sources explaining that pesticides is a marketing term for non selective poisons, including neonicotinoids, and then we can change the usage of pesticide in the article to insecticide?

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        The google ngram shows it is a 1930s neologism:

        The Wikipedia article from 2007 tries to suggest that it includes fungicide and herbicides in the bizarre belief that weeds can be pests.

        My point was that the term suggests that these substances only kill pests when clearly they kill all insects.

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    Information concerning the worth of the service honey bees provide by pollination; an outcome of a German research project, conducted by the Universität Hohenheim, Institut für Landwirtschaftliche Betriebslehre (University of Hohenheim, Institute of Farm Management): According to the German language study “Eine ökonomische Analyse des Imkerei-Sektors in Deutschland” (“An economic analysis of the beekeeping sector in Germany”), 2017, via: – in Germany, the “added value of honeybee pollination in crop production was estimated to be worth up to 1.6 thousand million euros per year” (from the English abstract; please see also p. 42, 56, 69). However, the economic output of the honeybee in Germany has not yet been systematically recorded („Allerdings wurde die volkswirtschaftliche Leistung der Honigbiene in Deutschland bisher nicht systematisch erfasst“), p. 8. – worldwide, the economic value of honey bee pollination amounts to estimated 153 billion Euro in the year 2005 (“Weltweit wird der ökonomische Nutzen der Bestäubungsleistung von Insekten auf 153 Milliarden Euro (2005) geschätzt”), p. 8. Refers to: Gallai, Nicola, et al. 2009. Economic valuation of the vulnerability of world agriculture confronted with pollinator decline. Ecological Economics. 2009, Bd. 68, 3 (p. 74). The study is the final report of the project . It is not peer-reviewed and is unpublished.

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    Hi, I have posted your article on FB to see if any interest is stirred.

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    Isn’t the accompanying photo of a wasp and not a bee?

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      Hi Declan. Nope, but it does look like one so I will change the picture.

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    “If the ban is overturned it could threaten future agriculture as about one third of human nutrition (academic journal) is due to bee pollination.

    “However, the science is unclear (academic study) on neonicotinoid’s effect on bees.”

    Well, which? Is the science unclear, or do neonicotinoids threaten future agriculture? I think the first sentence should carry a direct attribution “…according to…” and not be stated as bald fact.

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      Hi Martin. Whether neonicotinoids threaten future agriculture is dependent on which side of the argument you are on. However I have linked to the Science Daily’s coverage on it and mentioned it in brackets.

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