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    And, finally, didn´t you find any good stats to show how women lives have improved in the last century? Just asking, because maybe there aren´t.

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      There’s a very good meta-analysis of data on the happiness of women between the 70s and now that shows just how difficult it is to quantify improvements in anyone’s quality of life. Or indeed to identify any causation for a particular outcome when your goal is rather vague (what is happiness? what is equality? etc.) I highly recommend it! http://ftp.iza.org/dp4200.pdf

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      The freedom to vote and have jobs outside the home?

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    The murder in 2016 of MP Jo Cox, who was shot and stabbed by a man shouting “This is for Britain”, is an example of the backlash against women making their voices heard, Bazeley said. Was she killed because she was a woman or rather because she was pro Remain? How could we know?

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      Thank you Berta for all these questions. I will try to address and amend the article!

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    “Women are yet to reach equal representation in politics and other fields”, it would be nice to make clear which fields. Do we want equal representation in the Armed Forces? In the construction sector? Do we need or want to foster more gender-balanced diversity in the health care system or nursery schools?

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    “A mainstream feminist movement”, it would be interesting to know how many women, as Thatcher said, considered nowadays feminists in the UK, just to know if mainstream feminism is mainstream among women.

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      That’s an interesting question, and I’d certainly be keen to find out too. If I get time today I will research but do feel free to contribute to the article too if you have time.

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    I’m a newcomer to Wikitribune and I don’t have any experience in journalism. Is this story focused mainly on the women’s right movement in Great Britain or Europe? If it is, would information about what happened and is still happening in the USA be relevant?

    One aspect in the USA that I find intriguing is the work of the League of Women Voters. This is what at least some of the women’s suffrage organizations turned themselves into once we won the right to vote. The League continues to work for expanded voting rights. Given current efforts to disenfranchise more and more people through such things as voter id laws and gerrymandering, the League’s work is urgent and timely.

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      Absolutely. There are certainly things specific to various countries, but, although some progress is being made, many events in different parts of the world are very worrying and threaten many hard-won equality gains.

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        Hi Alan, the piece is now published if you’d like to take a look.

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          Excellent! Reading through it now.

          I know Wikitribune mostly wants US spellings, but Is ‘disenfranchized’ really spelled with a z in the US? To me, that looks completely wrong!

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            You are right! Just checked and its “disenfranchise” in the U.S. too. Will correct now – good spot.

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            🙂

            We’re used to seeing many US spellings – Noah has got a lot to answer for – but that grated quite a bit!

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          Excellent, Lydia.

          There could be a place for an article on the problems surrounding trans women, but I think it would need to be separate from this as it would simply detract from main story about the women’s equality.

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      Thanks Dorit, welcome to WikiTribune! The piece will focus on the UK but will show the echoes of the suffragette movement worldwide, if there’s room!

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      Dorit, the piece is now published if you’d like to take a look!

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    An important current topic in this area is that of proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act in the UK that are likely to allow people to ‘self-identify’ as a different gender and that this will become a protected characteristic under equality legislation.

    There are a number of issues this raises (many of which are already causing arguments and debates before the consultation has been formally announced), including the acceptance of males who self-identify as women on All-Women Shortlists for elections (see the current rows in the Labour Party over this and the election of a male to the position of Women’s Officer in a Constituency Labour Party), the problems of males who self-identify as women (or even if they have a Gender Recognition Certificate) being allowed to use what are usually considered safe spaces for females, such as refuges, changing rooms, female prisons (eg Martin Ponting), etc.

    All these issues are a great concerns to females and it’s likely that there will be a lot more media attention.

    One aspect needs particular understanding is that these concerns are not against trans people – and indeed many trans people think that self-identification is not the right way to go .

    Also, I suggest particular caution and sensitivity in the use of language: this concerns the meaning of the words male/female (relating to biological sex) and man/woman (these can be used to mean the male/female of the human species but also the gender of people) and the use of personal pronouns – some people, whether they consider themselves to be trans or not (eg non-binary, queer or any other of the plethora of terms used) can be particular as to what pronouns are used for them (he, she, zi, hir, they, etc)

    Many feminists are very worried that recent events and possible future changes will undo many of the advances made to women’s suffrage and will simply increase misogyny and oppression of women.

    This is a big but important area and I can provide more details if required.

    Is this something we should cover?

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      This is definitely an interesting part of recent movements in gender rights. I will try to find a way to include it. I’d be interested to see more information on this if you are around!

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        Here is a draft of the story I’m currently working on. I’d love for you to contribute and add in a bit about the Gender Recognition Act amendments! https://www.wikitribune.com/?post_type=stories&p=45847&preview=true

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          Thanks. I’ll have a read.

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          Sorry, Lydia, not had a moment to do anything, but this Times article today covers a good number of the issues:

          Labour’s purge of the trans-rights heretics

          https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-s-purge-of-the-trans-rights-heretics-p32khgn36

          I assume you have access to it?

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            Hey Alan, no worries about not having time. I will take a look at the article, thank you.

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              Lydia

              I may be able to write a short report on something happening next week that is relevant to this but I’d like to get your view on it and some advice first. If you’re interested, what’s the best way to do that?

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                Hi Alan, best way is to probably start a story and put all the info in there and I can take a look. It’s okay if it’s note form or half-baked. Then link it here so I can see.

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                  Thanks. It’ll need to wait till Thursday before I publish anything – it’s a court case and we obviously don’t know how the defendant will plead. The main body will be much the same regardless but will adjust the headline/standfirst/body as required. A demonstration outside the court has been called by supporters of the accused although we don’t know how many will turn up. If there is a good crowd, it’s possible other outlets will cover it.

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                    Please feel free to elaborate on the case on here or on my profile talk page – if you are able.

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        Thanks, Lydia.

        I suggest this website: http://www.peaktrans.org

        Full disclosure: note that this is my wife’s website: she was assaulted by three trans activists at Speakers’ Corner last September – one person is due to appear in court in a few weeks in relation to this incident. However, I think the information on the site is very good and outlines the very many issues.

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