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    Not sure how much this is different from the
    UK, but it might be an idea first to define the two different offences and why people do them.

    Registration fraud is when people register who shouldn’t or shouldn’t at that location. In the UK it allegedly takes place because being on the electoral roll improves your credit score, I can’t remember if the credit card companies have access to US voter data in the way they do UK data. We also get the occasional practical joker who announces that their pet cat or similar has been sent voting papers.

    Voter fraud is when people vote who shouldn’t – such as people who have committed registration fraud and then vote under that fraudulent registration, or who vote more than once when legally or otherwise they are registered at more than one address. Or who use someone else’s vote. One measure that has probably reduced “victimless” voter fraud in the UK has been the legislation to make it easier to get postal or proxy votes. You can now legally do what allegedly some did anyway. Prosecutions, and public indignation, only seem to come where people both registered and voted illegally or where they voted on behalf of someone who did not want that to happen.

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      Hi Jonathan,

      I like this idea(s). I just added a paragraph of context about voter registration fraud, but another article dedicated to the topic may be necessary.

      I’m also curious to compare the U.S. with the electoral laws and challenges of other countries- like the U.K. Any recommended reads on this topic?

      I listed your idea under ‘Possible Angles,’ with a link to your profile. We’ll wait another few days to see other ideas from the community.

      Thank you for your help with this. I’ll let you know the developments as they come in. -Charlie

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        Hi Charlie,

        This note from Experian explains how they (and other) credit screening agencies have access to the full electoral roll in the UK. http://www.experian.co.uk/blogs/consumer-advice/register-to-vote/

        I’m not sure if the same applies in the US, but there could be other incentives to register. With millions of illegals and also legal non citizens in the US there could be incentives to register other than to vote.

        There is also the issue that some US voting lists are very out of date and contain people who died a long time ago. I assume that’s a consequence of the way the lists are compiled – you have to go somewhere and register rather than fill in a form that us distributed to every household.

        Perhaps put a framing sentence at the top that the focus of this article is over illegal voting as opposed to illegal registration, voter suppression and out of date rolls. Possibly the first article in a series?

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    I think an interesting add on to this piece would be to talk to people who did, in fact, commit voter fraud. It’d be interesting to know the context, in their own words, behind it. Was it a mistake? What were their goals in doing so? Who did they vote for?

    While it’s not the main point I think it would be an interesting side bar to the conversation and one I feel isn’t covered enough.

    The link to the News21 article mentions that in person voter fraud is less likely to happen as opposed to fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration. To quote from the article “The analysis shows 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud and 400 cases of registration fraud.” I think this should be noted in the WT article. Still a rather insignificant number, in my opinion, but it happens more than the 1 in 15 million of in-person voter fraud.

    I also think stronger language in regards to Trump’s claims about voter fraud should be used. His claim that 3 million people voted illegally was made without citing sufficient or any evidence. I think it’s important to note that plainly as opposed to just providing evidence that it isn’t accurate.

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      Hi Mark,

      Thank you so much for your ideas and suggestions.

      I like your angle. There are a couple of media outlets that profiled the handful of individuals who commit voter fraud.

      Washington Post compiled a list of convictions in December 2016. A few mistakes, a few purposefully crimes, from Trump and Clinton supporters…

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-000002-percent-of-all-the-ballots-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/?utm_term=.02de6263550c

      The Heritage Foundation, a conservative advocacy organization, continues to compile incidences of voter fraud. They didn’t find anything different than previous studies.

      http://www.heritage.org/voterfraud?_ga=2.212993299.602393855.1515253099-1822559545.1515253099

      I’ll try to find additional cases. Maybe WT can provide more context into the ‘why’ behind the rare cases of voter fraud.

      I’m also going to add your suggestions: more context on voter registration fraud, and add clarity about the falsity of Trump’s claims.

      And I encourage you to add to the story as you see fit. Go ahead and make bullet points if you don’t feel like composing paragraphs. Thanks again and let me know what you think of the changes!

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      Hi Mark: Fair point about President Trump making a claim to widespread voter fraud without citing statistics or sources. I’ve amended this article to reflect your suggestion.

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