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    The book seems like a tabloid. The writer has been known to write falsehoods and take tremendous liberties where he creates a false narrative in the past.
    When writing this I believe it’s important to point out the the subjects involved are saying that the book is false and that his track record as well as his admission says that much of the book is false.
    1. Saying that Melania Trump did not want to be first lady and that she told her friend she thought that Trump would lose… Although those close to her refute this. Pretty big lie.
    2. “If it rings true, it is true” Wolff said on MSNBC…. this is a book built around confirmation bias.
    3. He doesn’t attempt to corroborate his book, journalist and lobbyist have been misidentified and the book was published with typo’s. Not very professional at all the book is riddled with errors.
    4. Saying Trump didn’t know who John Boehner was…. although Trump had tweeted about him many times and had even played golf with him
    5. In the prologue he says “Many of the accounts of what happened in the Trump whitehouse are in conflict with one another; many, in Trumpian fashion are badly untrue, those conflicts and that looseness with the truth, if not reality itself are an elemental thread of the book. Sometimes I have let players offer their versions, in turn allowing the reader to judge them settled on a version of events I believe to be true.
    – if his sources were lying to him why would he include them? He took all the negative things he heard and he created his own version of events.
    More than a dozen people said Wolff embellished or invented quotes attributed to them in his 1998 book on Silicon Valley “Burn Rate”.
    6. Mark Berman was supposedly one of the people who met at the four seasons in order to eat breakfast. Mark Berman wrote on twitter that he’d never eaten breakfast at the four seasons because he’d in fact never actually been to a four seasons. SO again Wolff is simply ignoring truth. Mark Berman’s child was being born on the same morning of this “breakfast”….. so he definitely wasn’t there. Mike Berman a lobbyist was however.
    Here are two of Mark Berman’s tweets on the matter.
    https://twitter.com/markberman/status/949434302265286657
    https://twitter.com/markberman/status/951142624924233729
    The book is trash and at best should at least inform the reader before in the beginning of the article.
    If a person wishes the things in the book were true then their confirmation bias will of course tie all negative statements to Trump and anything positive will of course be seen as false.

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      Thanks. Wolff deals with some of the claims others have challenged in the Q&A we did as well. Is there anything different you’d suggest we do with the reports on all of this where we have been at some pains to point out some of the things you have? Here’s the Q&A: https://www.wikitribune.com/story/2018/01/12/united_states/qa-michael-wolff-stands-by-writerly-take-on-trumps-irregular-white-house/38783/

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        Thank you for your response.

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      More so than an irregular white house… I’d love to see a detailed piece on the irregular press.
      Why has the press been overwhelmingly biased?
      There’s an active campaign against the president that they don’t even attempt to hide.
      Would you be willing to research every event where the right claims that the media has lied or misrepresented the president and then look into the issue from both sides as in what happened and the reaction.
      I’d like to read this from a liberals point of view.
      So the small things that make the news like President Trump drinking water, eating two scoops of Ice cream, etc… why go to those extents to keep his name in the news?
      Is this simply just for money as they view his name as automatic views?
      Or are they campaigning to create a perpetual fog around him that seems like things are more hectic than they really are?

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    I think it would be important for the public actually hear the interviwees on tape that permitted him to tape them to add credibility to his claims.

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    Suggested Questions for Mr. Wolff.

    I have not read the book so if answers to these questions are in it, please disregard.

    What did you anticipate that White House staff or others you interviewed might experience because of speaking with you?

    What follow-up to the book are you planning, and when are you planning to publish?

    Other than “cowering,” as described by individuals remarking on the book, what other coping behavior did you observe among staff?

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      Coming shortly.

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    So where do we ask questions of the ‘Fire and Fury guy?’ Somewhere around here:

    Do people like DJ Tramp [sic] signify a new poverty in politics? Where to now?

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      Righto, I will incorporate that. Thanks. I am going to have a short time with him on the phone tomorrow so it’s not quite a full “ask me anything” thing.

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        That’s great.

        Are you planning on asking him about some of the inconsistencies in the book?

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          Yes, coming shortly.

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    I feel like it should be mentioned Trump has yet to let this go on Twitter. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/949498795074736129

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    Trump just tweeted about this. I think more colorful language to describe his response is probably warranted now.

    Link to tweet:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/949126530839572481

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      I added this in. I wasn’t sure where in the article it would fit so I snuck it in right before the talk of legal action. I’m not sold on this being the best spot for it. I also added another tweet and provided context to that tweet.

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    I think some of the criticism of Wolff needs to be spelled out. The character in his book on AOL is said to have been a combination of three separate people. Specifically the following from the New Republic article should be highlighted, at least in portion. It’s some pretty damning accusations that calls into question the credibility of what Wolff is saying now.

    “Much to the annoyance of Wolff’s critics, the scenes in his columns aren’t recreated so much as created–springing from Wolff’s imagination rather than from actual knowledge of events. Even Wolff acknowledges that conventional reporting isn’t his bag. Rather, he absorbs the atmosphere and gossip swirling around him at cocktail parties, on the street, and especially during those long lunches at Michael’s. “He’s around town enough to have those insights, to spot people, to come across [pieces of information],” says a friend. He also has a talent for making the most of even the briefest encounters. “His great gift is the appearance of intimate access,” says an editor who has worked with Wolff. “He is adroit at making the reader think that he has spent hours and days with his subject, when in fact he may have spent no time at all.” More than one chapter of Wolff’s 2003 book, Autumn of the Moguls, spotlights anecdotes about random mogul sightings in his neighborhood. In contrast to The New Yorker’s Ken Auletta, whose sympathetic portrayals of media moguls have allowed him to enter their inner sanctums, Wolff does not confer with the titans he covers. He channels them.”

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      Have put in slightly more detail, which does the job of highlighting that criticism.

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        Awesome. Looks great. Thank you for taking my suggestion into account.

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    The first link is a press briefing and does not show “unmistakable fury” from Trump. It’s Sarah Huckabee repeatedly deflecting questions from the press about this issue.

    Also, framing the story as Trump’s responses as “fiery” is misleading. The press release from the White House is all we have to go on as far as Trump’s response to this book and it doesn’t lend credence to the claim that Trump is furious.

    I tried to correct this in the story and my edits were not approved. I think the headline and the first sentence need to be adjusted to reflect what we know as opposed to what people think.

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      NYT posted the press release from the White House here https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/us/politics/trump-statement-steve-bannon.html?_r=0. This is what I tried to replace the press briefing with.

      The language is strong but nowhere does it imply Trump is furious. No exclamation points for example. If this had been spoken and Trump was visibly angry it would be a different story, but it isn’t.

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        Thanks Mark, have taken the suggestion on board and amended.

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          Awesome. Thank you. I appreciate it.

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    Michael Wolff has been criticized for false or misleading quotes as well as using anonymous sources. Should have been included.

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      Thanks Steve, have added some background to that and about how Wolff reported the story.

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