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    You brought up a point, which is difficult to grasp being not from the US regarding the Jerusalem Act of 1995:

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    This calls for some analysis, if an Act is being postponed for 22 years, while having had such support.

    The Wiki entry is also not fully clarifying for me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

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      Agreed. Based on what I have absorbed on this so far it was very easy to support the act when there was no danger that the President would go against State Dept, UN and most of his allies and agree to it. So, politicians were able to meet the demands of the Israel lobby and their constituencies without having any real prospect of facing up to the consequences. This additional piece — by a community member but with some additional editing and background from me — might help but it is fascinating how one can vote for something you never expect to happen and then condemn it when someone calls your bluff, effectively.
      Here’s the other piece: https://www.wikitribune.com/story/2017/12/07/united_states/key-democratic-figures-shift-positions-on-jerusalem-when-decision-is-real/26662/

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    https://www.vox.com/2017/12/6/16742640/trump-jerusalem-israel-speech-full-text

    Full text of Trump’s speech – should probably be linked in the article if it isn’t already (I didn’t see it but I may be mistaken). Not wedded to this particular link as a source, there may be an official .gov one somewhere which is preferable.

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      Thanks to Eric Fershtman for adding the link near the beginning.

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      The US Senate passed a resolution six months ago 90-0 that reaffirms the Jerusalem Embassy Act and says that “Jerusalem should remain the undivided capital of Israel in which the rights of every ethnic and religious group are protected”. ( https://www.timesofisrael.com/senate-unanimously-passes-bill-marking-50-years-since-jerusalem-reunification/ )

      Senators Bernie Sanders and Dianne Feinstein spoke out against the plan to recognize Jerusalem and move the embassy. ( http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-will-move-us-embassy-israel-jerusalem-officials-confirm-1650307 , http://freepresskashmir.com/2017/12/06/trump-all-set-to-recognize-jerusalem-as-israels-capital/ )

      There should probably be some reactions from American politicians in the article.

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        I was aware of the 1995 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act but I didn’t realize it was renewed 6 months ago.

        The reason I think this is relevant: in the current highly emotive environment of Trump versus Congress (and everyone else) this is likely to be incorrectly portrayed as a unilateral move of Trump himself, against everyone, as opposed to being a unilateral move of the United States, including the backing of a 90-0 vote in Congress.

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          I’m also curious to know, based on your comment, whether Sanders and Feinstein abstained from that resolution. If they did, then fine. People disagree, it’s a hard issue.

          But if they voted for a 90-0 resolution in favor of Jerusalem as capital of Israel, and then spoke out against it more recently, that’s newsworthy.

          How can we check that?

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            According to the Senate website’s vote tracker, both Sanders and Feinstein voted in favor of S. RES. 176, which “reaffirms the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 (Public Law 104–45) as United States law, and calls upon the President and all United States officials to abide by its provisions.”

            The abstaining senators were: Bennet (D-CO),Booker (D-NJ), Duckworth (D-IL), Flake (R-AZ), Menendez (D-NJ), Merkley (D-OR), Murkowski (R-AK), Sullivan (R-AK), Tillis (R-NC), and Toomey (R-PA).

            https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00138

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              This sounds worthy of a (neutral, non-inflammatory!) story. Will you start one? What’s newsworthy here is that both have spoken against it, while both also voted for it last year.

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                Sure. Started a draft at https://www.wikitribune.com/?post_type=stories&p=26662 .

                (By the way, if one of the actual journalists could actually ask the senators why their positions changed in the meanwhile, I would think that would be a critical part of the story.)

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                It was an entirely symbolic vote and given their constituencies it’s not surprising the way they voted in what was a gesture — not meaningful. It was a vote on apple pie.

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                Agreed. Call ’em out! Let’s call this particular amoral action duplici Suffragium.

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              Hi Yair,

              Thank you for the insight on Sanders. This contradiction is something that hasn’t been covered yet. I created another subsection committed to the reaction of U.S. politicians. The June resolution is also mentioned.

              And as Jimmy said, you should start an analysis piece if you have more insights into the U.S. Congress-Israel relationship.

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