Talk for Article "Brexit voters surprised themselves by winning, stick by decision"

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    Two issues:
    1) Currently there are several polling experts arguing that a current vote would marginally favour remain. I cannot vouch for precision here. But this is a recurring claim.

    2) The main issue with leaving is that it is a complicated process, and it is argued that there is no majority for any specific leave procedure.
    This does not negate the article but complicates the gist of it

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    I’m not sure it’s valid to say “a majority of British voters made the … decision to take the country out of the European Union” although this phrase is often used by supporters of Brexit.
    If memory serves, the result was 37% for leaving and 34% for remaining – and 37% is *not* a majority of voters.

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        No, the number of voters at the time of the (second) UK European referendum was 46,500,001. 17,410,742 of the 46,500,001 voted to leave – that’s 37.44% of voters.

        If you want to get to 51.89%, it is the proportion of voters who voted, not the proportion of voters.

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          Hi both,
          I appreciate that we’re trying to hold ourselves to the highest standard of accuracy, but IMO both the ways you have phrased the figures are accurate. I would suggest that saying 37.5% of voters who voted risks needless confusion – but I would encourage you to edit the story and the best version should emerge.
          Thanks, Jack

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      If they didn’t go to the polls, they didn’t vote, making them non-voters that were registered to do so.

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    I live in a working-class community – not sure if my peers who voted leave ever really thought about the process of leaving.

    More about a ‘shout out’ due to a feeling of being left behind
    The process of leaving is now thought of as someone else’s problem. However, if you voted leave I am sure it feels good to watch the politicians each night actually doing the thing you asked them to.

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      I think Cameron was foolish to call for this referendum in the first place.

      Thinking about and fully researching the possible outcomes of Brexit would have been extremely time consuming for anyone.

      This is why we have politicians in the first place, in the hope that they spend the time studying on our behalf, because we don’t all have the time to do that ourselves.

      Cameron must have assumed that it would have been any easy win for staying in the EU. But, just proved himself to be completely out of touch and unable to comprehend how other people think and see the world. Not good for someone who is meant to be the leader of a nation.

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    The whole article seems based on one guy chatting to a couple of people on the street.

    This doesn’t seem unbiased journalism, there’s no facts to back up the headline. No opinion poll, no actual event which is being reported on.

    It feels like little more than “I asked my mates, they agree with me”.

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      Changing “majority” to “majority among those who voted” might be better. Technically the result is a plurality, which is commonly termed a majority. Many MP’s also would be elected by pluralities.

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        If they had voted they would be voters, as they did not vote, they are non-voters, potential voters, registered voters, but ultimately if they didn’t go to the polls their opinion doesn’t count.

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    The subheading “Barking…” is very funny to a British ear, since “Barking” is not only a district in East London, it’s also British slang for “crazy”.

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    You could also balance this on the ground study with some of the polling, latest polls show that support for Brexit is falling, but that some of those who voted Remain accept that they lost and Brexit has a mandate https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/10/27/there-has-been-shift-against-brexit-public-still-t/

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      Perhaps the story would benefit from a little more meat on the bones, but the ‘person on the street interview’ is a common journalistic method.

      In terms of social research, interviews can produce qualitative data that is better at reading the heart, if not the mind. The mind may be better represented by the quantitative data produced by polls and surveys. However, the quality of most current commercial commercial opinion polls are not up to the job supporting representative, let alone, unbiased conclusions.

      “The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of… We know the truth not only by the reason, but by the heart.” – Blaise Pascal”

      What we meant by terms like ‘evidence’ and ‘fact’ seems a big subject that needs to become well-known by each of us before we forget about the need to do it. Without doing it, we’d have no standard for meaning or knowledge, and consequently, no ability to develop a distinctive journalistic voice.

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    I’m not sure what scrabble means in the context of “Dagenham, a hard scrabble working-class district east of London” and while I get that it is both a London borough and east of the city of London, I think it would be less confusing to describe it as one of Greater London’s eastern working class suburbs.

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      Didn’t write this one, Jonathan, but hardscrabble should be one word – I’ve altered.

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      Hi Jonathan, I have removed “hardscrabble” as I agree it is potentially confusing for the global audience. Thanks for the feedback.

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